Exzerpieren des Films "Here is Germany" - bin am verzweifeln

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Duckduck (Contributor)

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Hi, entweder ich bin blöd, oder es ist wirklich schwer herauszufinden, wo der Text im Film anfängt. Ich finde ihn nicht auf Anhieb, sag mal Bescheid!

:spin:

tiorthan

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Meine Korrekturen in Rot. Wo noch Fragezeichen stehen bin ich mir nicht sicher.
Duckduck hat geschrieben:
modestmouse23 hat geschrieben:@Delfino Ich hatte den Link gepostet. Gleich im ersten Beitrag. Ich weiß auch nicht, wo der hin ist... Wurde er wohl gelöscht, weil er am Anfang zu grauenhafte Szenen beinhaltel?

Hier ist auf jeden Fall der Link zum zweiten Teil: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8226924319 (Hier gibt es so gut wie keine Gräuelbilder, ich hoffe, er kann stehen bleiben.)

Weil es so schön war, poste ich an dieser Stelle den letzten Teil meiner Bemühungen. Ich bin dir - Duckduck - wirklich sooooooo dankbar für deine Hilfe, das glaubst du gar nicht. :freu:
And as Germany began to rearm, its leaders planned the death blow for the German republic. True, they had already taken it over for their purposes, installing the aged von Hindenburg as president. But it was still in structure a democracy. And that meant liberals and unions and free speech and a free opposition. And the German leaders knew as Frederick, Bismarck and the Kaiser had known: That you can’t start ruthless aggression abroad without ruthless discipline at home. Therefore, the time had come for the republic to be eliminated. To achieve this they needed a tool with which to appeal to the Germans' old passion for superiority and conquest. Not a feudal monarch this time like Frederick, nor an aristocratic landowner like Bismarck nor an emperor like the Kaiser, but an ex-corporal of the German army with a fanatic gleam in his eye and the power to arouse a mob.Preaching the same old doctrine as his predecessors, the old doctrine that had never failed to arouse the German people. Himself jobless, uneducated, cowardly, resentful, Hitler gathered around him misfits like himself. People obsessed with grievances, real or imaginary, people who weren’t as prominent as they thought they should be, people with inferiority complexes who wanted to shout for the crowd. People who wanted power but were too lazy to work for it.Sheep, anxious to be lead, drug addicts, perverts, bullies, cranks. Unfortunately, those Germans who were liberally minded regarded Hitler as either a joke or nuisance. But the German nationalists well knew his possibilities. They knew that he was capable of administering the death blow to the German republic. Of forging the German people into a single mold. Backed by the monarchists who saw in him their chance to restore the Hohenzollerns to the throne. Backed by big business who saw in him their chance of economic domination of the world. Backed by thousands of ordinary Germans who saw in him their chance to strut as conquerors arcross the world. With the backing of all these groups Hitler ahead (?)Skillfully appealing to the German tradition, the old cry of the master race, the Nazis' promise of all things to all men.To the workers they promised higher wages, to the employers lower wages, to the attendants they promised lower rates, to the landlords higher rates, to the farmers higher prices, to the consumer lower prices. But most of all they promised revenge on the world, that Germany would become its most powerful empire. Hitler knew his audience and by 1933 the Nazis received more votes than any other political party. And von Hindenburg installed Hitler as his leader, as German chancellor. This was the death blow the nationalists had planned. From that moment the German republic was dead. Four weeks later the Nazis set fire to the Reichstag and screamed that the crime had been committed by the communists. Using this as an excuse Hitler declared the state of emergency and assumed dictatorial powers. From this it was only a step to the abolition of all political parties. In the new Reichstag there was only one party: Hitler’s party. In the new Reichstag there was no debate, the deputies were stooges who applauded, got paid, went home. Trade unions were abolished, instead the German Labour Front to discipline the workers and teach them what to think: music, literature, all outlawed and destroyed, unless it supported what the German leaders were trying to sell. Scientists, physicians - their professions were banned to them unless they supported the Nazi ideology. Bismarck had added the industrialists as the 4[sup]th[/sup] pillar of the warlike state, Hitler added a 5[sup]th[/sup]: the professional gangsters, armed folks to enforce his decrees. And if a German officer had been the ideal of the Kaiser’s Germany, the storm trooper became the ideal of Hitler’s. Persecution was on the march. Freedom of speech? Now that meant the concentration camp. Torture, death. Freedom of religion? Riots and church burnings. Freedom of opinion? The executioner and his axe. Freedom of the press? The Gestapo took care of that. Now Karl Schmidt could be indoctrinated like his father and his grandfather before him. But this time even more totally(?). More efficiently with all the resources of science in the modern state. The German press became a Nazi press. The German airwaves opened only to Nazi voices. Nazi papers, Nazi books, Nazi pamphlets, these were all the people could read. Nazi speeches, Nazi dramas, Nazi music – these were all the people could hear. The art of Germany, the sculpture, the paintings, the drama – all regimented to serve one purpose: the indoctrination of Karl Schmidt. One voice only must be heard by Karl Schmidt, one voice from the cradle to the grave, the voice of Hitler. Hitler, Hitler. Scores of microphones and cameras were used to photograph Hitler and record his voice so that all in Germany and others throughout the world could receive this message of hate and hypocrisy. So Hitler was photographed, from the front, from the back, from the right, from the left, from every angle. Hitler. Hitler, Hitler.Hitler sobbing, Hitler smiling, Hitler shouting, Hitler working his people into a frenzy.Hitler: “In my schools a youth will grow up before which the world will shrink back.”, “There must be no tenderness in youth. I want to see in their eyes the gleam of the beast of prey.”, “Brutality is respected. I shall spread terror.”, “Today Germany, tomorrow the world.”That’s how Karl Schmidt got his soul. That’s how the General Staff, the big industrialists, the state officials, the landowners, the gangster chieftains put their plans into a fact and prepared Karl Schmidt for his generation's attempt to smash the world into submission. That’s how Karl Schmidt was trained for conquest. Just as his father was trained by the leaders of his generation. And his father before him. Each generation accepting and adding to the German tradition. A tradition of ruthlessness and medieval barbarism, the tradition of a master race, the tradition of German superiority, the false picture of the world inside German heads. These are some of the explanations for the murdered Poles in Lublin, the murdered Italians in Rome, the murdered Belgians at Baugnez, the murdered Americans at Malmedy. And these are the reasons why in our generation nearly 30 million men have had to die. Because deep in the soul of Karl Schmidt has been planted the love of aggression and conquest. And unless that passion is uprooted, ten, twenty or hundred years hence a new generation of Germans will find a new leader who will show them the way. How shall that be prevented? A sound beginning has been made, this time things are being done differently. At the end of the last war: an armistice by negotiation. This time: unconditional surrender. Today Karl Schmidt knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that he was defeated. At the end of the last war: German armies were parading through Berlin. This time: (man sieht Alliierte)
The legend of German invincibility
lies once and for all a shattered myth. After the last war the German General Staff continued to function, today not only the General Staff but the entire German officers corps will be dissolved and they will be forever prevented from planning another German attempt to world conquest. After the last war German industry was unimpaired, today much of it lies in ruins and such undamaged industrial plants as are permitted to operate will operate under allied control. After the last war the same state officials remained in office, today any Nazi is forever barred from having a …(?). After the last war the Kaiser found refuge in Holland and anyone else who thought they were in any danger ran away. Today proven war criminals must answer for their crime. After the last war German education was untouched. Today all Nazi doctrine has been destroyed. New text books prepared for German youth - under our direction, not the Germans’. After the last war this small area of Germany was occupied. Today every square inch is under the authority of allied troops. At the end of the last war this was the government of Germany. Today this is the government.
We have come to Germany not as liberators, but as conquerors. And this time we shall remain: For ten years, for twenty, if necessary forever. Karl Schmidt himself will determine how long.
For we shall not leave until Karl Schmidt has come to realize that he himself is responsible - for not only the past, but the future. We have rid him of Hitler and the General Staff, and nazism, and militarism. But we have not rid him of Frederick and Bismarck and the Kaiser, of his history and his tradition. That he must do for himself. Until he does, he is still a potential enemy of civilisation. Only when he does can he take his place in the society of man. Then and then only will the German farmer, the German mailman, the German cop be like the folks back home. Then and then only can beautiful Germany, industrious Germany, cultured Germany join the peaceful nations of the world.

So, kann gut sein, dass ich etwas übersehen habe, aber ich muss jetzt los. Mausefreund, das war ein richtiges Ding, das mach' ich auch nicht für Jeden...

Grüße
Duckduck


modestmouse23

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Daaaanke, ihr seid echt die Besten! (Womit habe ich so viel Freundlichkeit nur verdient, Duckduck? Wie kann ich mich erkenntlich zeigen?) ;)
Das letzte Fragezeichen konnte ich mittlerweile übrigens lösen. Ich denke es heißt "..., today any Nazi is forever barred from having authority."

Duckduck (Contributor)

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@tiorthan, Danke für Deine prima Ergänzungen und Korrekturen, Du hast ja unglaublich gute Ohren! :freu:

@modestmouse, bleib uns gewogen und denke mal freundlich an eine unbekannte Ente, die sich Mühe gibt :big_thumb:!

Grüße
Duckduck :prost:

PS.
...Hitler forged ahead...
Habe ich gerade noch rausgekitzelt...

caro64

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And heres's what I heard...

The French made one final attempt to enforce the treaty and marched into the Ruhr but this made them so unpopularin a world drenchedwith heartbreaking German propaganda that they withdrew solemnly behind their Maginot line. Now, let’s see what would have happened hadthe treaty havebeen enforced. Without a General Staff Germany could not have planned World War II. From the demilitarizedRhineland shecouldn’t have attacked France or the Low Countries. Without an airforce she could not have blitzedBritain. With an army of a houndred thousand she could not have attacked the Soviet Union. Without submarines she could not have threatened our own Atlanticlifeline. The Treaty of Versailles was not enforced. And asfor the League of Nations,we refused to join. And other countries paid it little more than lip service.
So once again the Germans began to march.
Not in the open at first, but on disguised drill-fields mascerading his patriotic veteran organisations. Or as the so called Technical Auxiliary Corpsostensively formed to help in case of strike. Or as the Einwohnerwehr ger-lantic ?groups planning to protect citizens against communism. Or in school – simply under the name of …(?) but alwaysunder the supervision of army officers.

caro64

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modestmouse23 hat geschrieben:Super, dann wäre das Belgien-Problem jetzt auch gelöst.
Bleibt nur noch die Frage, ob der Sprecher "But there is no
privileged view" sagt oder irgendetwas komplett anderes.



I hear this...
That’s why freedom of religion is part of our tradition. In school we learn that none of us is any better than any other American or anybody else in the world for that matter, that there is no privileged few, that all men have equal rights.

Duckduck (Contributor)

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Huhu Caro,
ja, daran hatte ich auch gedacht, aber ist dann das "is" nicht eigentlich falsch?

Ich meine, dann müsste es doch eigentlich heißen: "...there are no privileged few..."

Insgesamt habt ihr jungen Leute einfach prima Öhrchen. Bei mir stören wohl die Haare in ihnen ein wenig, wir sprachen darüber... :chief:

Liebe Grüße
Duckduck

Duckduck (Contributor)

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Ach modestmouse :( , je öfter ich drüberschaue, desto mehr Fehlerlein finde ich. Aber Deine Prüfer werden wahrscheinlich nicht Wort für Wort nachvollziehen, nicht?

Bei diesem Durchgang hörte ich gerade noch:

"either a joke or a nuisance"

Außerdem sind die Stammformen von "lead" natürlich "lead, led, led", also "Sheep, anxious to be led..."

Tja: Nobody is perfect!

Duckduck

caro64

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Duckduck hat geschrieben:Huhu Caro,
ja, daran hatte ich auch gedacht, aber ist dann das "is" nicht eigentlich falsch?

Ich meine, dann müsste es doch eigentlich heißen: "...there are no privileged few..."

Insgesamt habt ihr jungen Leute einfach prima Öhrchen. Bei mir stören wohl die Haare in ihnen ein wenig, wir sprachen darüber... :chief:

Liebe Grüße
Duckduck
Yes Duckduck I know what you mean, maybe I should have written it like this - there is no "privileged few" Like saying there is no "ladies first" in this house or there is no "handle with care" at this post office. Do you understand what I mean? and I think you have done a fantastically good job here (tipping my hat in your direction) hairy ears or not :mrgreen: .
Love Caro, who hopes you have a lovely day.

Duckduck (Contributor)

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Ja, toll, so geht es! :freu:
Und Danke für Dein freundliches Lob! Das bedeutet mir viel!

Duckduck

modestmouse23

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Suuuuuper! Ich denke, hiermit wären alle Lücken geschlossen. Eine Sache habe ich nämlich auch noch herausgefunden (bzw. herausfinden lassen) ;)

"Or maybe Wilson wasn't very practical."

Sind 8 Seiten geworden, puh. Ich denke auch nicht, dass mein Dozent das Wort für Wort korrigieren wird... Aber mir persönlich hat es total weitergeholfen. Jetzt geht's daran, den Film zu analysieren! :read:


PS: Könnte es statt ... "Hitler forged ahead" nicht auch "Hitler soared ahead" heißen?

Duckduck (Contributor)

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Jahahaha!, "soar", das ist es! Ich war im Kopf zunächst immer bei "sore" und bekam es nicht raus, dann dachte ich einfach, ich höre das "s" vorne falsch... aber nun endlich!!! Gut gemacht. :freu:

So, aber was das nun mit den Einwohnerwehren auf sich hat, weiss ich nicht!!! Ich lese die ganze Zeit hin und her, die Dissertation eines Amis über paramilitärische Gruppen in der Weimarer Republik habe ich überflogen... ich bekomm's nicht raus. Aber interessant ist es ja trotzdem auf jeden Fall. Weiter geht es jedenfalls "claiming to..."

OK, aber wenn's Dir jetzt reicht, höre ich auch auf, das war ja schon fast eine Obsession!!!

Alles Gute für die Arbeit!! :prost:

(Ich habe in der Magister Arbeit und in der Diss auch Filme analysiert, das ist einfach toll!!!!)

Duckduck

modestmouse23

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Duckduck hat geschrieben:So, aber was das nun mit den Einwohnerwehren auf sich hat, weiss ich nicht!!! Ich lese die ganze Zeit hin und her, die Dissertation eines Amis über paramilitärische Gruppen in der Weimarer Republik habe ich überflogen... ich bekomm's nicht raus. Aber interessant ist es ja trotzdem auf jeden Fall. Weiter geht es jedenfalls "claiming to..."




Hierzu wäre mein finaler Vorschlag: "Or as Einwohnerwehr: vigilante groups claiming to protect citizens against communismn."
Könnte das die Lösung sein? :)

caro64

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:freu:Bingo!!! that's it "vigilante groups"

Duckduck (Contributor)

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Super, noch einer!!!!

Nur mache das "n" am Ende von "communism" noch weg.

Sind jetzt eigentlich noch Fragen offen? Wir sind gut, alle zusammen, nicht?

Dd