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Comment on "Stuttgart21".

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[/color]Germany is just talking about one topic, “Stuttgart21“. Since the construction start on the 2[sup]th[/sup] Februar 2010 intense demonstrations are taking place. Most of the demonstrations were held peacefully. But on the 7[sup]th[/sup] October the situation escalated: the police fired on 100,000 demonstrators with water and some lost their eyesight on this day.

It is very difficult to form a opinion because a lot of information are very subjective and not objective.

This comment is written to clarify many things on the project “Stuttgart21“ and to give the layman a better insight into this debate. I am going to discuss wether the project “Stuttgart21“ should be executed or wether it should be cancelled.

In favor of the construction plan commends that the project is going to strengthen the national and international
high-speed rail traffic. The ride time will be dramitacally reduced. For instance a ride from Stuttgart to Ulm will take 28 minutes instead of 54 minutes.


In addition to that the rebuilding of the train station will create 10,000 new and permanent workplaces and 70000 during the construction period. In the future this will help to let the economy to grow and to reduce unemployment.

Another argument for the project is that it will help the infrastructure to grow and it will minimize the noise trains are causing. The project will help to gain 100 hectare (10,000 square meters) of free space. On this space can be built new flats and many green areas.


On the other hand “Stuttgart21” doesn not just have positive aspects. The project will lower the number of tracks from 17 to 8 tracks. The project will be built underground, meaning it can not be expanded in the future.


Another crucial aspect of “Stuttgart21” is the construction period. Whereas it is told that the project will take around 10 years to be build, experts estimate a construction period of over 20 years. This will cause a lot of problems for people who are dependent by travelling with the train.

However, we should not forget the most negative factor of rebuilding the train station: it was said that the construction will cost 2,5 billion euros. The costs are already exceeded by now with 1,6 billion euros. The current estimate is that it will cost 5,3 billion euros. In addition to that the stretch of road will cost around 6 billion euros! The question is: are these costs worthful for saving about

20 minutes of travel and who will pay it?



Finally is to say that it is difficult to find a opinion which is not directed by feelings or influenced by political ideologies. You have to weigh all pro and all contra arguments and hear the opinions of both sides. It takes a lot of time to have a good insight and to make an own opinion about “Stuttgart21”.

Personally I think “Stuttgart21” will help the german economy to grow and to be strenghtend, but that the timeperiod is too long and that the costs are too high. The Benefit you get weighed with the deficits is to say, that “Stuttgart21” is a project which has to be cancelled or which has to be replanned. There are already new concepts of a new train station which isn’t underground but with just a third of the normal costs. I think more energie should be invested in such concepts to have both sides pleased.


Vielen Dank!

choccy_hobnob

Re: Comment on "Stuttgart21".

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Hallo titanium! (Ich gehe davon aus, dass ich hier doch eher die Arbeit eines realen Menschen korrigieren, nicht die eines aus Titan bestehenden Androiden... ;))

Also, an dieser Stelle muss ich sagen, dass ich ziemlich beeindruckt von deinem Text bin! Er war überwiegend fehlerfrei, ausgewogen und verständlich. Hut ab! :)


Germany is only talking about one topic: (oder: "There is only one thing on the minds of the German people:") "Stuttgart 21". Since the construction started on the 2[sup]nd[/sup] February 2010, intense demonstrations have been taking place. Most of the demonstrations have been held peacefully. However, on the 7[sup]th[/sup] October, the situation escalated: the police blasted on 100,000 demonstrators with water cannons, causing some to lose their eyesight on this day. ("on this day" erübrigt sich - dass dieses sich an dem Tag der Demonstration ereignet hat, kann man sicherlich aus dem Kontext erschließen!)

It is very difficult to form a opinion because a lot of
the information about the project is ("information" gibt es auf Englisch nur in der Einzahl, das ist ein sogennantes Singularetantum) very subjective and not objective (leider etwas doppelt gemoppelt: alles, was subjektiv ist, ist ja schon per definitionem nicht objektiv!).

This comment is written (besser: "The aim of this comment is") to clarify many things on (besser: "aspects of") the project "Stuttgart 21" and to give the layman a better insight into this debate. I am going to discuss whether the project "Stuttgart 21" should be executed (besser: "carried through") or whether it should be cancelled.

In favor of the construction plan can be said that the project is going to improve the national and international high-speed rail traffic. The journey time will be dramatically reduced. (besser: "...high-speed rail traffic, dramatically reducing the journey time") For instance, a ride from Stuttgart to Ulm will take 28 minutes instead of 54 minutes.

In addition to this, the rebuilding of the train station will create 10,000 new and permanent workplaces, as well as 70,000 temporary positions during the construction period. In the future, this will help to encourage the economy to grow and to reduce unemployment (besser: "this will contribute to the growth of the economy and the reduction of unemployment").

Another argument for the project is that it will help the infrastructure to grow (od: "expand") and it will minimize the noise trains are causing (besser: "caused by trains") (Ich würde an dieser Stelle mal erklären, wie das eigentlich so funktionieren soll). The project will help to free up 100 hectares (100,000 (prüfe die Zahlen ) square meters) of free space, on which can be built new flats and many green areas will then be able to be built.

On the other hand, "Stuttgart 21" doesn not just have positive aspects. The project will lower the number of railway tracks from 17 to 8 tracks. The project will be built underground, meaning it can not be expanded in the future. (Besser: "...from 17 to 8 and, as the construction will be underground, it will not be able to be expanded in the future.")

Another crucial aspect of "Stuttgart 21" to be considered is the length of the construction period. Although it is claimed that the project will take around 10 years to be built, experts estimate a more realistic construction period of over 20 years. This will cause a lot of problems for people who are dependent on travelling with the train (besser: "who reply on the train for transport").

However, we should not forget the most negative consequence of rebuilding the train station (besser: "the most negative consequence of rebuilding the train station should not be forgotten"). It was claimed that the construction would cost 2.5 billion euros; however, the costs have already exceeded this sum by 1.6 billion euros. The current estimate is that it will cost 5.3 billion euros. In addition to this, the stretch of road will cost around 6 billion euros (wie genau? Sei ein bisschen präziser: "constructing the stretch of road leading to the station" oder was immer auch)! The question is: are these costs worth it just to save about 20 minutes of travel - and who will pay them?

Finally, it must be said that it is difficult to find a opinion which is not directed by personal feelings or influenced by political ideologies. It is necessary to weigh up all pro and all contra the arguments for and against the project and to hear (oder: "consider") the opinions of both sides. It takes a lot of time and research to gain a good insight into this debate and to make up one's own opinion about "Stuttgart 21".

Personally, I think "Stuttgart 21" will help the German economy to grow and to be strengthened, but that the proposed time period is too long and that the costs are too high. The benefit you get, weighed with the deficits, makes it clear that "Stuttgart 21" is a project which has to be cancelled or which has to be replanned. (Besser: "In my opinion, the negative sides of the project outweigh its benefits, and I personally believe that the project must either be cancelled or replanned.") There are already new designs for a new overground train station which isn’t underground but with just a third of the normal costs. I think that more energy should be invested in these concepts in order to please the people on both sides of this debate.

titanium

Re: Comment on "Stuttgart21".

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Vielen Dank choccy_hobnob! Deine Analyse hat mir sehr weiter geholfen! :freu:



Weitere Kritik und weitere Anregungen sind sehr erwünscht!

franzi

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Hi Titanus.
I'm very impressed by your work. Being citizen from Baden-Württemberg I'm very interested in this subject.
I've been watching all the mediation talks on TV. I'm very anxious of what will Mr. Geisler say when the talks are finished by Thuesday next week.

by the way
In the second last paragraph there's a small mistake.
The indefenite article in front of opinion must be an "an"

kind regards
Manfred

choccy_hobnob

Re: Comment on "Stuttgart21".

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franzi hat geschrieben:In the second to last paragraph there's a small mistake.
The indefinite article in front of opinion should be an "an"

kind regards
Manfred
Ach du Schande! Good catch, Manfred, thanks - I'd clearly overseen that one! I really must clean my glasses. ;)