I pray in the night and I have my own believe to god. I don’t must go every Sunday in the chruch.
Sorry for my english, I'm here to improve it!
Perhabs anywhere can correct my Post.
regards from Birmingham
Chris
DO YOU GUYS BELIEVE IN GOD???
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asg_chris
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Nevermore
In my opinion, thinking of certain people as "evil" is a bit of taking the easy way out. Don't get me wrong, though^^friendly2004 hat geschrieben: why does he allow all evil? he's set a day where he will destroy all evil. and only the good people, the bible calls them "the righteous", will posses the earth.
The existence of any God is still very unlikely. There's never been any proof of his existence. Why do we copy from nature? Because everything that lives could adapt to it's environment during the last several billions of years - thanks to evolution. That's, what evolution is about. And that's why nature today seems to be that perfect. It had billions of years to develop like that, to adapt like that. Of course, copying from nature is a save bet, if you want whatever machine to be as effective as possible
I don't want to discuss the way evolution works right now, for there just would be too many words I would have to look up in the dictionary
But in the end it makes much more sense to me, than any God ever could. Nonetheless: Religions are a very useful thing concerning society, certain values and so on. So I'd never complain about it. It's just not my kind of thing^^
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Navarra
Hello,
The question is very interesting and I asked myself a hundred times if I believe or if I am able to believe in God. The famous french thinker and scientist Blaise Pascal said that this question would be the most important question of all questions, because the life of a person has to change extremly if the person really believe in god - I think he's right and so I read many books, the holy books of christians, of the muslims, books about the religions, about buddhism, books against and for the believing in god and so on and so on. I thought and thought, I sometimes said : yes, god exist. I sometimes said : no, god does not existent and the resultat of my cogitations : I do not know, or to quote Sokrates : Now I know that I really don't know...
...that's very disappointing but it seems to be the most important awareness of human life.
Best Wishes,
Navarra ( I hope my english is not too bad )
The question is very interesting and I asked myself a hundred times if I believe or if I am able to believe in God. The famous french thinker and scientist Blaise Pascal said that this question would be the most important question of all questions, because the life of a person has to change extremly if the person really believe in god - I think he's right and so I read many books, the holy books of christians, of the muslims, books about the religions, about buddhism, books against and for the believing in god and so on and so on. I thought and thought, I sometimes said : yes, god exist. I sometimes said : no, god does not existent and the resultat of my cogitations : I do not know, or to quote Sokrates : Now I know that I really don't know...
...that's very disappointing but it seems to be the most important awareness of human life.
Best Wishes,
Navarra ( I hope my english is not too bad )
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kiarmin
Hi, sorry but i can`t speak good english
I just want to say that i do believe in god,and i accpet every religion with a prophet!
It is really doleful that many people mix terrorists and muslims and they think that every muslim is a terrosrist!
the most muslims event dont know what the koran is about and that islam is really against destruction and murdering ...
I just want to say that i do believe in god,and i accpet every religion with a prophet!
It is really doleful that many people mix terrorists and muslims and they think that every muslim is a terrosrist!
the most muslims event dont know what the koran is about and that islam is really against destruction and murdering ...
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kiarmin
just like i do!asg_chris hat geschrieben:I'm believe on god, but I'm not a strong blieving catholic.
I pray in the night and I have my own believe to god. I don’t must go every Sunday in the chruch.
Sorry for my english, I'm here to improve it!
Perhabs anywhere can correct my Post.
regards from Birmingham
Chris
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friendly2004
We've reached a fundamental point:
Believe in God or in evolution. If you don't believe in any of these all the things connected with them don't make sense. For me I simply can't imagine that there was an evolution. All the entire creation is too complex.
Among the many precise conditions vital to life on the earth is the amount of light and heat received from the sun. The earth gets only a small fraction of the sun’s energy. Yet, it is just the right amount required to sustain life. This is because the earth is just the right distance from the sun—an average 93,000,000 miles. If the earth were much closer to the sun or farther away from it, temperatures would be too hot or too cold for life.
Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank Tipler studied “the ratio of the Earth’s radius and distance from the Sun.” They concluded that human life would not exist “were this ratio slightly different from what it is observed to be.” Professor David L. Block notes: “Calculations show that had the earth been situated only 5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If, on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago.”—Our Universe: Accident or Design?
As it orbits the sun once a year the earth travels at a speed of about 66,600 miles an hour. That speed is just right to offset the gravitational pull of the sun and keep the earth at the proper distance. If that speed were decreased, the earth would be pulled toward the sun. In time, Earth could become a scorched wasteland like Mercury, the planet closest to the sun. Mercury’s daytime temperature is over 600 degrees Fahrenheit. However, if Earth’s orbital speed were increased, it would move farther away from the sun and could become an icy waste like Pluto, the planet whose orbit reaches farthest from the sun. Pluto’s temperature is about 300 degrees below zero Fahrenheit.
In addition, the earth consistently makes a complete rotation on its axis every 24 hours. This provides regular periods of light and darkness. But what if the earth rotated on its axis, say, only once a year? It would mean that the same side of the earth would be facing the sun all year long. That side would likely become a furnacelike desert, while the side away from the sun would likely become a sub-zero wasteland. Few, if any, living things could exist in those extreme circumstances.
As Earth rotates on its axis, it is tilted 23.5 degrees in relation to the sun. If the earth were not tilted, there would be no change of seasons. Climate would be the same all the time. While this would not make life impossible, it would make it less interesting and would drastically change the present crop cycles in many places. If the earth were tilted much more, there would be extremely hot summers and extremely cold winters. But the tilt of 23.5 degrees allows for the delightful changing of seasons with their interesting variety. In many parts of the earth there are refreshing springtimes with plants and trees awakening and beautiful flowers coming into bloom, warm summers that allow for all kinds of outdoor activity, crisp autumn weather with gorgeous displays of leaves changing colors, and winters with beautiful scenes of snow-draped mountains, forests and fields.
*hurting fingers*
Have you got any more questions?
Believe in God or in evolution. If you don't believe in any of these all the things connected with them don't make sense. For me I simply can't imagine that there was an evolution. All the entire creation is too complex.
Among the many precise conditions vital to life on the earth is the amount of light and heat received from the sun. The earth gets only a small fraction of the sun’s energy. Yet, it is just the right amount required to sustain life. This is because the earth is just the right distance from the sun—an average 93,000,000 miles. If the earth were much closer to the sun or farther away from it, temperatures would be too hot or too cold for life.
Astronomer John Barrow and mathematician Frank Tipler studied “the ratio of the Earth’s radius and distance from the Sun.” They concluded that human life would not exist “were this ratio slightly different from what it is observed to be.” Professor David L. Block notes: “Calculations show that had the earth been situated only 5 per cent closer to the sun, a runaway greenhouse effect [overheating of the earth] would have occurred about 4 000 million years ago. If, on the other hand, the earth were placed only 1 per cent further from the sun, runaway glaciation [huge sheets of ice covering much of the globe] would have occurred some 2 000 million years ago.”—Our Universe: Accident or Design?
As it orbits the sun once a year the earth travels at a speed of about 66,600 miles an hour. That speed is just right to offset the gravitational pull of the sun and keep the earth at the proper distance. If that speed were decreased, the earth would be pulled toward the sun. In time, Earth could become a scorched wasteland like Mercury, the planet closest to the sun. Mercury’s daytime temperature is over 600 degrees Fahrenheit. However, if Earth’s orbital speed were increased, it would move farther away from the sun and could become an icy waste like Pluto, the planet whose orbit reaches farthest from the sun. Pluto’s temperature is about 300 degrees below zero Fahrenheit.
In addition, the earth consistently makes a complete rotation on its axis every 24 hours. This provides regular periods of light and darkness. But what if the earth rotated on its axis, say, only once a year? It would mean that the same side of the earth would be facing the sun all year long. That side would likely become a furnacelike desert, while the side away from the sun would likely become a sub-zero wasteland. Few, if any, living things could exist in those extreme circumstances.
As Earth rotates on its axis, it is tilted 23.5 degrees in relation to the sun. If the earth were not tilted, there would be no change of seasons. Climate would be the same all the time. While this would not make life impossible, it would make it less interesting and would drastically change the present crop cycles in many places. If the earth were tilted much more, there would be extremely hot summers and extremely cold winters. But the tilt of 23.5 degrees allows for the delightful changing of seasons with their interesting variety. In many parts of the earth there are refreshing springtimes with plants and trees awakening and beautiful flowers coming into bloom, warm summers that allow for all kinds of outdoor activity, crisp autumn weather with gorgeous displays of leaves changing colors, and winters with beautiful scenes of snow-draped mountains, forests and fields.
*hurting fingers*
Have you got any more questions?
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Jazz
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sara91
Consider this : An archaeologist digs deep into the desert sand and finds a piece of an old clay pot. After his investigations, this archaeologist can tell us, from this little old piece of dusty clay, so much about the civilisation that existed thousands of years ago that produced it; he can tell us about the types of ovens, temperatues, and dyes that they worked with, the raw materials that they used, and thus assess the level of their artistic skill and technological ability, etc. All this from a small piece of clay lying in the desert.~raccoon~ hat geschrieben:I am not sure if I believe in God.
But if there is a God out there: Why is there still so much suffering on earth?
And if he has ever guided you through hard times: Shouldn´t you also ask why he does not help others then? Or is it just their belief which is not strong enough. Then we should ask ourselves: What kind of God is that? He does not seem to be forgiving. He does not seem to be kind.
IS THERE A GOD???
Did this archaeologist ever see the civilisation that produced this pot ? How does he know that it ever existed ?
He knows because he saw that the piece of clay was produced by someone who designed it, and shaped it, and had the intelligence to be able to heat it and produce the pot, and not only that, they also had the ability to colour it and make it look beautiful.
To the archaeologist the existence and intricacy of the piece of pottery is conclusive proof of the existence, intelligence and ability of the people who made it.
Look around you and you will know if there is a GOD or not !!??!!
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sara91
Imagine yourself in an aeroplane and you know it is going to crash...
Who do you turn to for help then ?
Or on a ship in the sea, thrown helplessly up and down by towering waves ...
There will have been a situation at one time or the other in your life when you called upon your Creator alone, forgetting everyone and everything else, hoping, trusting, wishing that the Being you know in your heart and soul that has power and control over all things would help you. The only One you know can save you!
Who do you turn to for help then ?
Or on a ship in the sea, thrown helplessly up and down by towering waves ...
There will have been a situation at one time or the other in your life when you called upon your Creator alone, forgetting everyone and everything else, hoping, trusting, wishing that the Being you know in your heart and soul that has power and control over all things would help you. The only One you know can save you!
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Nevermore
Don't get me wrong, but that's why it's hard for me sometimes to take religious people serious. They often compare living creatures to things like chairs, watches or - in this case - a piece of a clay pot.
A pot doesn't live. It certainly couldn't have developed like that on its own, just like other artificial stuff - I agree with you on that. But we do live. Every day people get born or die without any obvious interference of God. Why would it have ever been any different? What's is more likely? That life - which is recreating itself every day over and over again - once was artificially made or that we made God up because we don't quite understand what's going on around us?
A pot doesn't live. It certainly couldn't have developed like that on its own, just like other artificial stuff - I agree with you on that. But we do live. Every day people get born or die without any obvious interference of God. Why would it have ever been any different? What's is more likely? That life - which is recreating itself every day over and over again - once was artificially made or that we made God up because we don't quite understand what's going on around us?
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sara91
I am sorry Mr. nevermore, I didn’t try to speak like religious people but I tried to give you scientific and logical proofs according to real observation and comprehension of reality..Nevermore hat geschrieben:Don't get me wrong, but that's why it's hard for me sometimes to take religious people serious. They often compare living creatures to things like chairs, watches or - in this case - a piece of a clay pot.
A pot doesn't live. It certainly couldn't have developed like that on its own, just like other artificial stuff - I agree with you on that. But we do live. Every day people get born or die without any obvious interference of God. Why would it have ever been any different? What's is more likely? That life - which is recreating itself every day over and over again - once was artificially made or that we made God up because we don't quite understand what's going on around us?
But “the life which is recreating itself every day” you are talking about is a great proof for God’s existence, because it is impossible to imagine that this life doesn’t need a Controller.
* Look at the beautiful sunset on a summer evening, at the moon and the stars on a cloudless night, at the water that you drink, at the trees and how they grow from tiny seeds.
* Think about your eyes with which you see, your ears with which you hear, your tongues with which you taste and talk, your hands and your feet, your heart and your brain.
* Consider how these things are so complex in themselves and yet work together in such perfect harmony.
From the movement of the galaxies to the complexities of the interaction of molecules, from the dynamics of eco-systems to the intricacies of DNA, all lead to the obvious fact of the existence of the great Wisdom, Knowledge and Power that allows our Universe to exist and function.
The existence and intricacy of creation is conclusive proof of the Existence, Knowledge and Wisdom of the One who creates, organises and sustains it.
How strange, that many people claim that a man, or men, who walked on the earth, breathed air, who had bodies and souls are the Creator.. Others believe in phrases like 'Mother Nature' and 'the amazing way nature has designed...' When there are those who say that the whole system of this universe has occurred by coincidence..
In fact I am 17 years old, to find truth the way wasn’t easy ..You can imagine..
I am waiting for you and I will be ready to give you other proofs..
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Nevermore
Well, first of all: I get what you mean and I'm very impressed by the way you express your faith. So I really don't want to offend you or something.
But still: The things you mention might be your reasons for believing in God, but they're far from being proofs. If there was a proof, there would be no need in discussing.
You see, in my opinion the main difference between people who believe in God and those who don't is the way they look at the world around us. Religious people - as far as I'd assume - basically think, the world is the way it is, because we need it to be like that so we're able to exist. God created it for us, so to say. I think it's quite the other way around. We exist by chance, because certain circumstances were given that allowed us to develop like that. Regarding the total of circumstances that are needed for us to live, religious people usually'd say it's very unlikely that all those circumstances exactly match our needs just by chance. And they're right. But if we take a look at the enormous size of the universe, the countless galaxies, stars and planets that surround us - why is it so hard to believe that amongst those millions and billions of "dead" planets at least one does exist where the circumstances for life are given by chance? The probability for each planet is low, but in total it's pretty likely. If we just rely on facts and try to think logical, the existence of God is still unlikely.
Nonetheless: As i mentioned earlier in this thread, it's unlikely but not proven wrong. Faith is a great thing that I absolutely don't want to critisize. But being religious means believing, not knowing. There are no facts that truly support the existence of God and I think one should just accept that.
Faithful people who just believe (whether it gives them hope or they simply want to believe) without trying to proof are the ones I honestly respect and take serious.
But still: The things you mention might be your reasons for believing in God, but they're far from being proofs. If there was a proof, there would be no need in discussing.
You see, in my opinion the main difference between people who believe in God and those who don't is the way they look at the world around us. Religious people - as far as I'd assume - basically think, the world is the way it is, because we need it to be like that so we're able to exist. God created it for us, so to say. I think it's quite the other way around. We exist by chance, because certain circumstances were given that allowed us to develop like that. Regarding the total of circumstances that are needed for us to live, religious people usually'd say it's very unlikely that all those circumstances exactly match our needs just by chance. And they're right. But if we take a look at the enormous size of the universe, the countless galaxies, stars and planets that surround us - why is it so hard to believe that amongst those millions and billions of "dead" planets at least one does exist where the circumstances for life are given by chance? The probability for each planet is low, but in total it's pretty likely. If we just rely on facts and try to think logical, the existence of God is still unlikely.
Nonetheless: As i mentioned earlier in this thread, it's unlikely but not proven wrong. Faith is a great thing that I absolutely don't want to critisize. But being religious means believing, not knowing. There are no facts that truly support the existence of God and I think one should just accept that.
Faithful people who just believe (whether it gives them hope or they simply want to believe) without trying to proof are the ones I honestly respect and take serious.
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sara91
I am really so happy to talk with you about this subject which is very important for me.Nevermore hat geschrieben:Well, first of all: I get what you mean and I'm very impressed by the way you express your faith. So I really don't want to offend you or something.
No, I think there is a good proof... Let me know if you want me to tell you what is it..Nevermore hat geschrieben:But still: The things you mention might be your reasons for believing in God, but they're far from being proofs. If there was a proof, there would be no need in discussing.
I think there are many facts. But I want to ask you if you are talking about seeing for believing..?Nevermore hat geschrieben: There are no facts that truly support the existence of God and I think one should just accept that.
In this life we believe in many things without being able to see them or feel them tangibly..
Nevermore hat geschrieben: Faithful people who just believe (whether it gives them hope or they simply want to believe) without trying to proof are the ones I honestly respect and take serious.
I don’t believe because that gives me hope or because I simply want to believe, I believe because the truth I find is Deen-ul-Fitrah (the natural religion of Man)..Nevermore hat geschrieben:But being religious means believing, not knowing.
The religion of “there is no compulsion in religion”..
And I think we should know what do we believe in, the first word with which this religion began was “Proclaim! ( or read!) ”
How could this universe which runs according to an absolute accurate system (in terms of night and day, stars, planets and galaxies) how could it have come by chance and pure coincidence?Nevermore hat geschrieben:You see, in my opinion the main difference between people who believe in God and those who don't is the way they look at the world around us. Religious people - as far as I'd assume - basically think, the world is the way it is, because we need it to be like that so we're able to exist. God created it for us, so to say. I think it's quite the other way around. We exist by chance, because certain circumstances were given that allowed us to develop like that. Regarding the total of circumstances that are needed for us to live, religious people usually'd say it's very unlikely that all those circumstances exactly match our needs just by chance. And they're right. But if we take a look at the enormous size of the universe, the countless galaxies, stars and planets that surround us - why is it so hard to believe that amongst those millions and billions of "dead" planets at least one does exist where the circumstances for life are given by chance? The probability for each planet is low, but in total it's pretty likely. If we just rely on facts and try to think logical, the existence of God is still unlikely.
The idea of chance is something obsolete and has become outside the rational circle in the world of science and knowledge, and the world of reason and cause.
It is so hard to envisage that this world has come into existence without a wise capable and knowing creator.
With the least contemplation, we can recognize the invalidity of chance ( or coincidence ).
I am waiting for you..
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Nevermore
Alright. We're getting to a point where I'd love to go on in German 'cause discussing would be so much easier
It's actually always fun to discuss about that topic and I definetely don't want to convince anybody - I just want to point out the way I think about it.
It's actually always fun to discuss about that topic and I definetely don't want to convince anybody - I just want to point out the way I think about it.
Go ahead. But again: If there was the slightest proof (and I mean real proof - not that "heaving a certain feeling in a certain situation"-stuff I always get to hear from those jehova's witnesses in my family), everyone would believe in God and there'd be no discussing.sara91 hat geschrieben: No, I think there is a good proof... Let me know if you want me to tell you what is it..
Facts don't nessesarily need to be seen. Just try to prove. As soon as there's no single doubt left, I'm convincedsara91 hat geschrieben: I think there are many facts. But I want to ask you if you are talking about seeing for believing..?
In this life we believe in many things without being able to see them or feel them tangibly..
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sai1983
I do not believe in god as I am a person who believes in facts. In my opinion everything is scientifically explainable.
There is not one single evidence that god exists.
But I also think that it is good for some religious people in situations of dolour (desease orsimilar) because their faith helps them live.
But as already said I do not believe in anything I cannot see, and I have neither seen angels nor anything else making me think that there must be a major force in the world. Even the emergence of the earth is clarified today and everyone knows about evolution and thus how the human being has developped.
There is not one single evidence that god exists.
But I also think that it is good for some religious people in situations of dolour (desease orsimilar) because their faith helps them live.
But as already said I do not believe in anything I cannot see, and I have neither seen angels nor anything else making me think that there must be a major force in the world. Even the emergence of the earth is clarified today and everyone knows about evolution and thus how the human being has developped.